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. >> shame on nra. >> reporter: as protesters gathered outside offices in washington, the nra again declined to comment on the debate, but there were signs that the sandy hook massacre has impacted capitol hill. >> as your senator i will protect our second amendment rights. >> reporter: west virginia senator, joe manchin, a life-long nra member said he is rethinking his own positions. >> i don't know anybody that goes hunting with an assault rifle. i don't know anybody that needs those types of multiple clips as far as ammunition. >> reporter: and former republican congressman, joe scarborough, now an msnbc host also reversed himself on gun control. >> politicians can no longer be allowed to defend the status quo. they must instead be forced to defend our children. >> reporter: but at least one texas republican continues to defend the right of americans to own assault weapons. >> it ensures against the tyranny of the government. >> reporter: amid the talk of gun control, gun sales have picked up. in portland, just a week after a gunman killed two in an area mall. >> yesterday was the biggest
. >> shame on nra. >> reporter: as protesters gathered outside offices in washington, the nra again declined to comment on the debate, but there were signs that the sandy hook massacre has impacted capitol hill. >> as your senator i will protect our second amendment rights. >> reporter: west virginia senator, joe manchin, a life-long nra member said he is rethinking his own positions. >> i don't know anybody that goes hunting with an assault rifle. i don't know...
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the nra embarrassed itself. as michael said they had an opportunity today to change the national image of the nra. if they said, look, no american gun owner, no hunter needs a high capacity magazine with more than ten bullets and a clip, we're for that ban. our members, frank luntz, fox news frank luntz poll 47% of our members said no one should get a gun without a background check. we're endorsing a federal ban on gun shows selling guns without background checks. federal ban on internet sales. they could have taken a real step towards enhancing their credibility. they embarrassed himself. learning apierr emp pm-- lapier resign. the republicans have a choice. break with the nra or have every suburban american that looks like this and says this guy is nuts. if you look at this statement you have to think this guy is whacked. that's a danger for the republicans to align themselves with. >> i know you don't mean this in a flip callous way but your reaction is similar to other people who are not anti-gun, they are a
the nra embarrassed itself. as michael said they had an opportunity today to change the national image of the nra. if they said, look, no american gun owner, no hunter needs a high capacity magazine with more than ten bullets and a clip, we're for that ban. our members, frank luntz, fox news frank luntz poll 47% of our members said no one should get a gun without a background check. we're endorsing a federal ban on gun shows selling guns without background checks. federal ban on internet sales....
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. >> the nra breaking its silence. the powerful gun lobby will hold a major news conference to announce the actions it plans to take in the wake of the elementary school tragedy. the national rifle association breaking that silence for the first time yesterday saying it was prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this never happens again. the gun rights organization and gun rights advocates in congress both under public pressure to join the call for action. >> just wonder -- this long after a mass killing like that, little 6 and 7-year-olds, there is not a single republican in america, in elected office, not going to step up and say something? >> i think that says something in itself. >> i think it is time to talk, guys. one way or the other, where do you stand on this issue? >> joining me this morning is connecticut congressman joe courtney. good to have you here. the president is speaking in 45 minutes from now to announce this new interagency task force on gun control. he's not expected to announce an
. >> the nra breaking its silence. the powerful gun lobby will hold a major news conference to announce the actions it plans to take in the wake of the elementary school tragedy. the national rifle association breaking that silence for the first time yesterday saying it was prepared to make meaningful contributions to make sure this never happens again. the gun rights organization and gun rights advocates in congress both under public pressure to join the call for action. >> just...
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the nra can't -- they can't say anything now. they can't -- you know, they can't whisper a word without getting slammed by anybody. you so, the politicians, too, nobody is going to say anything that doesn't fit with the sentiment of the country right now. that's grieving. >> you know, part of the grieving process has been done on social media now. and i've heard from the people of this community how much it's helped to see tweets that people have sent to them. in some cases, in the case of one of the daughters of victim this morning, she said she's gotten thousands. thousands. there's a dark side, though. connecticut state police are saying they are looking to arrest people who have posted misinformation about the shootings. impersonating the shooter and investigators. it seems unfathomable that one would want to add to the heartache. my question is, how easy for someone to do that and how complicated is it for police to prosecutor that? >> it is unfathomable. it's not understandable. people don't know that impedes the investigat
the nra can't -- they can't say anything now. they can't -- you know, they can't whisper a word without getting slammed by anybody. you so, the politicians, too, nobody is going to say anything that doesn't fit with the sentiment of the country right now. that's grieving. >> you know, part of the grieving process has been done on social media now. and i've heard from the people of this community how much it's helped to see tweets that people have sent to them. in some cases, in the case...
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he was elected three times to his position after the opposing the nra. and mayor michael bloomberg says they are not as hard core as they think they are and they can be wasn't. where do you fall on those strategy there is? >> listen, i bristle when i think of any member of congress, house or senate, being beholden to any special interest group. i have distanced myselves from americans with tax reform organization because of some key facts that i thought led me in that direction and i cast a vote against the nra earlier this year. i like to think members respect beholden to a special interest group. >> where do you think the values of nra members fly is all sorts of statistics that say that the majority of nra members believe that there should be deep background checks that they are not necessarily for assault weapons. why is it that the majority of the members of the nra compromise those ideologies that there is anything but incredible background check he s and delay purchasing assault rifles or even the ability to get an assault rifle. why do we have th
he was elected three times to his position after the opposing the nra. and mayor michael bloomberg says they are not as hard core as they think they are and they can be wasn't. where do you fall on those strategy there is? >> listen, i bristle when i think of any member of congress, house or senate, being beholden to any special interest group. i have distanced myselves from americans with tax reform organization because of some key facts that i thought led me in that direction and i cast...
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>>> plus the nra's double down. the organization's ceo says if it's crazy to arm police in school, then call him crazy. >> i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment instrument in this town. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off, the president urged congress that pass a scaled-back stop-gap measure. >> senators agreed on sunday to pass -- >> i think unfortunately there will only be a small deal. >> it is going to be a patch. >> kristin welker, traveling with the president in honolulu. the question is will he be cutting hi vacation short? does he have a royal to play? or is it up to the senate, as some are saying? >> reporter: first of all, i think it is likely we'll see him cut his vacation short. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to
>>> plus the nra's double down. the organization's ceo says if it's crazy to arm police in school, then call him crazy. >> i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment instrument in this town. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off,...
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bush white house calls the nra exactly what it is. a protection racket, a protection racket for republicans. he will join me. [ male announcer ] when it comes to the financial obstacles military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us online. we're ready to help. >>> okay, we are getting really close to the fiscal curb, and when congress comes back, they will only have four days. so it is time for ezra klein to tell us what we'll feel when we do go over the fiscal cliff. coming up. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function a
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bush white house calls the nra exactly what it is. a protection racket, a protection racket for republicans. he will join me. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their buddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. humans -- sometimes life...
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this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics. the numbers on gun control broadly not speaking the last two weeks but broadly suggest the country is -- would prefer less strictures rather than more to enforce what we have rather than more. we've seen the numbers change a little bit. is this an upward trend or not? >> i don't know. i think the jury is still out on this, chris. i think in terms of this, is this a tipping point moment, it is, but it all depends on what it is. is it a tipping point moment where the congress and the president moved in one direction? >> right. >> is it a tipping point moment from the nra in terms of its image with the p
this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics....
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he fought the nra. he was a prosecuting district attorney in philadelphia but did not see eye to eye on w the nra. and in this a very pro-hunting state able to be elected for two terms. it can be done. it requires the ongoing focus of many of us who won't allow january to come and people's memories to fade. >> right. and john, just quickly, the issue that the two republicans we've just played specifically the congressman saying that we need to address the issue of mental health in this country. and perhaps ignoring signs that are there. my question is, why is there a perception that you cannot do both at the same time? why can't there be legislative action immediately if there's the desire of the people and overwhelming numbers show 57% if not higher asking americans if they want stricter gun controls, that i say yes. why does it have to be one or the other, mental health or some type of reasonable or sensible common sense ban on certain weapons? >> m-o-n-e-y. the republican party gets 80% or 90% of the
he fought the nra. he was a prosecuting district attorney in philadelphia but did not see eye to eye on w the nra. and in this a very pro-hunting state able to be elected for two terms. it can be done. it requires the ongoing focus of many of us who won't allow january to come and people's memories to fade. >> right. and john, just quickly, the issue that the two republicans we've just played specifically the congressman saying that we need to address the issue of mental health in this...
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he won with a 29% margin, defying the nra, even before tonig tonight. defying the nra in kentucky. they were giving him a failing grade. they could tell he was not using their talking points even prior to now. there is a lesson there, it seems to me, as he was saying, in the ability to override the nra when it comes down to the real election for congress. >> yeah, you know, absolutely, and mayor michael bloom berg says that the nra is really just a paper tiger. if you look at their record in the just completed election, they had a less than 1% success rate in terms of all the money in the millions and millions they spent trying to defeat the president. but what i think is important, lawrence, you're starting to see the benefits of being with the nra, and sort of not risking them in opposing an election, are starting to be outweighed in being associated with them. i mean, the nra doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation here, they are the ones trying to clear the way to stop states from banning machine guns, to bring back the dillinger, so they're not actually a friend you want to
he won with a 29% margin, defying the nra, even before tonig tonight. defying the nra in kentucky. they were giving him a failing grade. they could tell he was not using their talking points even prior to now. there is a lesson there, it seems to me, as he was saying, in the ability to override the nra when it comes down to the real election for congress. >> yeah, you know, absolutely, and mayor michael bloom berg says that the nra is really just a paper tiger. if you look at their record...
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luckily, the power of the nra was shown to be a paper tiger in the last election. i think that knowledge is going to have to be broadcast and assimilated that you can take on the nra and live to tell about it. you know, no right is absolute. we have the first amendment right to freedom of speech, but you can't get away with yelling fire in a crowded theater. so second amendment, the supreme court has ruled the second amendment confers a personal right to carry arms, but it doesn't confer a personal right to carry machine guns or grenade launchers or semiautomatic weapons, or large magazine clips. there is no hunter that needs more than three bullets in a rifle to hunt. anything beyond that is not only fair subject for regulation, but absolutely ought to be banned. >> but there is very few hunters out there that want to be hold what kind of firearm they can use. this is the urban divide that the president talked about today. over the last 30 years before i came to work here in new york. it's two different worlds. you go to the middle of the country and they say don'
luckily, the power of the nra was shown to be a paper tiger in the last election. i think that knowledge is going to have to be broadcast and assimilated that you can take on the nra and live to tell about it. you know, no right is absolute. we have the first amendment right to freedom of speech, but you can't get away with yelling fire in a crowded theater. so second amendment, the supreme court has ruled the second amendment confers a personal right to carry arms, but it doesn't confer a...
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you sit there in a meeting and some nra guys are at the meeting. they say you're on a slippery slope. next you'll be after your deer rifle, they say. it's not a slippery slope. what do you say? >> no one wants to take away your deer rifle, number one. every one of our amendments are qualified. and number three, if you guys are so tough how come you opposed me in three state campaigns and i got elected by 10 points, 12 points, and 21 points. if the nra is so tough, how did i win? >> because the suburbanites love you. you didn't change their minds you beat them. >> in my first election i won 15 out of 67 counties. in my second i won 33 out of 67 counties. >> yeah. >> so they're not that tough. they are literally a paper tiger. they're the wizard of oz. >> that's because you're running against my brother and len swann. i'm just teasing. i'm teasing my brother there. did you find yourself successful as a guy who's known to be for gun control in areas of the state that are very tough on that? did you change any minds? did you manage to win minds over on
you sit there in a meeting and some nra guys are at the meeting. they say you're on a slippery slope. next you'll be after your deer rifle, they say. it's not a slippery slope. what do you say? >> no one wants to take away your deer rifle, number one. every one of our amendments are qualified. and number three, if you guys are so tough how come you opposed me in three state campaigns and i got elected by 10 points, 12 points, and 21 points. if the nra is so tough, how did i win? >>...
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answer the question, who does the nra speak for? >> it is hard to disentangle all the different people they kind of represent, but you have to look at it this way. they receive millions and millions of corporate donations. since about 2005, the policy center found they received $38.9 million from various gun industry groups and people that sell ammo, that sell assault-style weapons that were used in the tragedy in newtown. but, at the same time, you kind of scope that back and look at their entire budget, right? this group is about 220, $250 million they will spend in a year. and a vast majority comes from the dues they pay and the ads they send to those members. at one time you have this kind of very avid and very vocal group of gun owners sort of the grassroots. at the same time, you have this corporate element and some of the biggest donors individually are also the corporate elements. >> is the second amendments right advocacy group or is this a lobbying force for the gun industry? >> again, it is kind of hard to say, where does
answer the question, who does the nra speak for? >> it is hard to disentangle all the different people they kind of represent, but you have to look at it this way. they receive millions and millions of corporate donations. since about 2005, the policy center found they received $38.9 million from various gun industry groups and people that sell ammo, that sell assault-style weapons that were used in the tragedy in newtown. but, at the same time, you kind of scope that back and look at...
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would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, leave the area. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd been confronted by qualified armed security? will you at least admit it's possible that 26 little kids, that 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day? is it so abhorrent to you that you'd rather continue to risk the alternative? >> because that's your stan
would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you...
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overall majority of members agree on sensible gun laws that will make a dramatic difference. 74% of nra members agree with most of us that if you have a criminal conviction, that criminals should not be able to buy guns. and even at higher levels, when you think about the reality, that if you are a suspected terrorist in america, you can go to the secondary gun market and buy a weapon and conduct the kind of terrorism we saw in mumbai which was doenl with automatic and semi-at mautic weapons. this is the call of our country. to do what the overall majority thinks is right. one out of every two women murdered with a gun are murdered by an intimate, by someone that they know well. that's why on the federal register that they do not allow people who are domestic violence perpetrators to buy guns. but that i have can still buy guns, a domestic violence perpetrator can buy a gun on the secondary market. the percentage of women murdered has gone down 40%. it makes a difference. we can save lives if we just do what we all agree, including gun owners, agree should be done. >> do you feel -- mak
overall majority of members agree on sensible gun laws that will make a dramatic difference. 74% of nra members agree with most of us that if you have a criminal conviction, that criminals should not be able to buy guns. and even at higher levels, when you think about the reality, that if you are a suspected terrorist in america, you can go to the secondary gun market and buy a weapon and conduct the kind of terrorism we saw in mumbai which was doenl with automatic and semi-at mautic weapons....
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does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago that they don't have the power they once had in a presidential election. >> i will give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, the world is getting worse for my kids. when i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i will do everything i can while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids, but also for society. take a look, one of the things they decided to do in the last election was to support candidates that were running against those that had great records with the nra. where the nra was putting their money into one side. i decided to put my mother into the other side. >> joe baca in california, a democrat -- >> we won four out of seven. four out of seven where the nra supported every one of those fours and we won with a small amount of money. there is this myth that the nra is so powerful, you go back to what happened back when the democrats lost after the assault weapons ban. i don't kn
does the nra have disproportionate power? you argued a moment ago that they don't have the power they once had in a presidential election. >> i will give you a good example. i'm not the kind of person to sit back and say, the world is getting worse for my kids. when i'm gone, i don't care about their lives. i do care about their lives. i will do everything i can while i'm alive to make the world a better place for my kids, but also for society. take a look, one of the things they decided...
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many of them are nra members. but they understand that if you give everybody a background check, if you had a federal trafficking statute, if there were an atf director to give that agency the juice it needs to really get the job done, you could do a lot to keep illegal guns out of the wrong hands without doing anything to keep me or you from having all the guns we'd like. >> mark glaze, i appreciate your time tonight. this may be a moment of change in american history when it comes to firearms. we shall see. appreciate your work. thank you. >>> we as americans will go to sleep tonight with a heavy heart. none of the words we used today seem to describe the heartbreak, the hurt and anger and the range of emotions all of us have felt. our prayers are with the families and relatives of the victims. tonight is a night for understanding. i think we can all understand that. and it's a night that we need to cope with. but i do believe it's also a time we as a people come to grips with a changing society. we need to be t
many of them are nra members. but they understand that if you give everybody a background check, if you had a federal trafficking statute, if there were an atf director to give that agency the juice it needs to really get the job done, you could do a lot to keep illegal guns out of the wrong hands without doing anything to keep me or you from having all the guns we'd like. >> mark glaze, i appreciate your time tonight. this may be a moment of change in american history when it comes to...
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about the nra's power. mayor michael bloomberg's right hand power. will real america come around on common sense gun laws? >> john nichols on the conservative push to keep common sense gun laws out of the middle of the country. plus, republican obstacles to reduce violence with jonathan and alex wagner. and dr. gail saultz on the role mental health professionals need to play to reduce the violence. >> no single law. no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. but that can't be an excuse for an action.
about the nra's power. mayor michael bloomberg's right hand power. will real america come around on common sense gun laws? >> john nichols on the conservative push to keep common sense gun laws out of the middle of the country. plus, republican obstacles to reduce violence with jonathan and alex wagner. and dr. gail saultz on the role mental health professionals need to play to reduce the violence. >> no single law. no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every...
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even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press" yesterday and had strong words calling on the president to exhibit leadership on the issue. i think there is a sense nationally that this time is different. we just talked to chris jansing on the ground in newtown, but that there is -- that i think for folks who have wanted to see reform on our nation's gun laws, that this could be an inflexion point. does the mayor share that feeling? >> he hopes so. you know, i may be alone in this, but i am just no longer comforted by comforting words. i feel like as the governor said, you know, we've become very good at doing these memorials after these events and then nothing
even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press"...
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the nra needs to face the truth." okey moronu says " no matter what the entertainment media did, the nra provided the tools for the perpetrators to execute their plans. get rid of the guns. and the nra has blood on their hands, and anybody associated with them will suffer politically. keep sharing your thoughts with us on our facebook page and twitter using the #edshow. >>> still to come, the fiscal cliff stalemate could cost john boehner his job as house speaker. but let me tell you, there are millions of unemployed americans out there. it could cost them their benefits and a lot of pain. that's ahead. stay with us. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." nobody likes a scrooge, and i've got the numbers to prove it. darden restaurants, ever heard of them -- the umbrella corporation behind chains olive garden and red lobster, well, they did their best to avoid providing their workers with health care. now they're paying the price. here is the story. back in october, the company launched an anti-obama care experiment. darde
the nra needs to face the truth." okey moronu says " no matter what the entertainment media did, the nra provided the tools for the perpetrators to execute their plans. get rid of the guns. and the nra has blood on their hands, and anybody associated with them will suffer politically. keep sharing your thoughts with us on our facebook page and twitter using the #edshow. >>> still to come, the fiscal cliff stalemate could cost john boehner his job as house speaker. but let me...
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>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the biggest single hole right now if you're a felon and you walk into a gun store and you try to buy a gun and they go, oh, you're a felon and we're going to turn you do, they let you walk out and they don't prosecute you. it's like bonnie and clyde. it like clyde goes in and tries to buy a gun. he goes back to bonnie and said i got bad news, they didn't sell me a gun. the good news is they let me go, they didn't do anything to me. they go about and commit their crime. >> is senator feinstein's bill to revive the assault weapon ban going to pass? >>
>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the...
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everyone, including nra members, there was a recent poll by frank luntz which said 74% of nra members believe everyone should have a background check. >> why is that not the case, governor? why does that not exist? >> because the nra has created an illusion that they are going to beat you if they are against you, and i sit here as an ex-governor of the second largest nra membership state in the union, pennsylvania. three times i ran for statewide office. i won by 10 points, 12 points and 21 points, and the nra opposed me each and every time. they are a paper tiger, and it's time for men and women in congress to have the guts to stand up for our kids and for our people. >> so you think michael bloomberg, mayor bloomberg was right this morning, when he said that the organization's power has been overstated dramatically. >> well, i wouldn't be here. this is the second largest nra state in the union, pennsylvania, and i won statewide three times by virtual landslides. the nra was dead set against me because of the work i had done as mayor on gun control, and i won three times overwhelming
everyone, including nra members, there was a recent poll by frank luntz which said 74% of nra members believe everyone should have a background check. >> why is that not the case, governor? why does that not exist? >> because the nra has created an illusion that they are going to beat you if they are against you, and i sit here as an ex-governor of the second largest nra membership state in the union, pennsylvania. three times i ran for statewide office. i won by 10 points, 12...
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nra members, they're okay with reasonable gun controls. the nra leadership has been fanatic and frankly functions as enablers to mass murder, and they've got to be stopped on that. >> and we have to face the value of some of the rhetoric. lindsey graham was on tv the other night saying in response to talking about sensible gun laws that, no, i believe in the second amendment. i like to hunt. that is not contrary to the sensible gun laws that anybody is advocating. you know, when you talk about something like criminal background checks, that has nothing to do with a hunter who wants to hunt, or a target shooter who wants to target shoot. >> it's been reported that the shooter had some issues mentally. that's what has been reported. how do we keep firearms away from those who have challenges? >> you require background checks for sale of guns to anyone. you get rid of the gun show loophole where someone at a gun show can sell it to anybody. can sell it to people on the terrorists list. can sell it to convicted pedophiles. can sell it to felon
nra members, they're okay with reasonable gun controls. the nra leadership has been fanatic and frankly functions as enablers to mass murder, and they've got to be stopped on that. >> and we have to face the value of some of the rhetoric. lindsey graham was on tv the other night saying in response to talking about sensible gun laws that, no, i believe in the second amendment. i like to hunt. that is not contrary to the sensible gun laws that anybody is advocating. you know, when you talk...
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meantime, we now have a statement from the nra. the group is breaking their silence, they say, and i'm quoting, the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. if i might begin with professor dyson, do you believe this claim from the nra, sir? >> well, we'll see if it turns out to be true. let's argue in good faith. let's negotiate in good faith. let's assume they're willing to do something. such a statement of course is a sign of progress. it's a sign that everybody realizes that all parties to this must come together, must converge around a common interest, and that is to protect our children and to do whatever is necessary to make them safe. martin, i'm going to offer them my goodwill belief that they're willing to do the right thing, but it can't just be willingness. it has to be political pressure brought to bear as has been done in this case and not only on the nra, but to all parties, to the senate, to the presidency, to congress, to the house of representatives to make sure
meantime, we now have a statement from the nra. the group is breaking their silence, they say, and i'm quoting, the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. if i might begin with professor dyson, do you believe this claim from the nra, sir? >> well, we'll see if it turns out to be true. let's argue in good faith. let's negotiate in good faith. let's assume they're willing to do something. such a statement of course is a sign of...
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and then the nra comes back to its fund raising. the people concerned with the gun horrors lose interest. how do you sustain a balanced look at gun control and gun ownership in this society. >> i think that because we have to keep that message out there, all of the time, and not wait for a tragedy like this that happened. >> when you think ablt it, a couple of weeks ago we had a shooting with an nfl player. one of the commentators. he couldn't believe the hate mail he got. he couldn't believe how people came down after him. that's why people are afraid to speak out. they're afraid of the nra. they're afraid of the large lobbyists. and that's the same thing, chris, as the members of congress. whether republican or democrat, you see that that they cow behind and not getting anything done instead of standing up. they're afraid they're going to lose their next election. if we can save a whole bunch of lives, isn't that what we're supposed to be in congress for? it's not taking away the right of someone to own a gun. >> next up, you were
and then the nra comes back to its fund raising. the people concerned with the gun horrors lose interest. how do you sustain a balanced look at gun control and gun ownership in this society. >> i think that because we have to keep that message out there, all of the time, and not wait for a tragedy like this that happened. >> when you think ablt it, a couple of weeks ago we had a shooting with an nfl player. one of the commentators. he couldn't believe the hate mail he got. he...
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as willie said, you had an "a" rating with the nra. i had an "a" rating with the nra. i loved driving around northwest florida, seeing those bumper stickers that said, "support freedom. vote scarborough." i mean, i was a big supporter of the nra and the right to keep and bear arms and a strong second amendment. and as i explained after waco and ruby ridge, it was symbolic. but today that symbolism has been shattered. and it really has, over the past decade. we've become an increasingly violent culture, violent video games, violent movies, a growing mental health crisis. and it's just created a toxic mix. i'm heartened that you're saying what you're saying, and i know that i'm going to be hearing in the coming days other republicans like myself. other proud members of the nra. proud americans, good americans, good fathers, good mothers, good grandparents. they're going to step forward and do the same thing as you. >> i'm a proud american. i'm a proud defender of freedom. i'm a proud parent. i'm a proud grandparent. i owe a lot more to my children and my grandchildren. a
as willie said, you had an "a" rating with the nra. i had an "a" rating with the nra. i loved driving around northwest florida, seeing those bumper stickers that said, "support freedom. vote scarborough." i mean, i was a big supporter of the nra and the right to keep and bear arms and a strong second amendment. and as i explained after waco and ruby ridge, it was symbolic. but today that symbolism has been shattered. and it really has, over the past decade. we've...
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the nra gave kingston an "a" rating for his voting record today. today this staunch advocate opened the door for change. >> we see a huge problem like this, and it's a problem that is happening in other countries as well. we look for something that, okay, what can prevent it? and i think that's where we need to go with this discussion is, yes, put gun control, more gun control on the table. >> on the surface, the comments are very encouraging. but when things get specific, we can understand why this country has so much difficulty arriving at common sense gun safety. >> connecticut has the fifth toughest gun control laws in the country, including an assault weapon ban that bans 35 different weapons. the weapon used was not an assault weapon, therefore it wasn't banned. >> the definition of assault weapons has been gamed by the gun lobby in the service of the gunmakers, no doubt. if the bushmaster rifle with 30 rounds per clip doesn't qualify as an assault weapon, the term "assault weapon" in my opinion is absolutely meaningless. i wanted to get some
the nra gave kingston an "a" rating for his voting record today. today this staunch advocate opened the door for change. >> we see a huge problem like this, and it's a problem that is happening in other countries as well. we look for something that, okay, what can prevent it? and i think that's where we need to go with this discussion is, yes, put gun control, more gun control on the table. >> on the surface, the comments are very encouraging. but when things get specific,...
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we are putting a huge amount of pressure on congress, legislators, on the nra. you can go to the website, 1 million moms for gun control.org right now and sign a petition and people are asking for gun control laws that we have crashed the servers many, many times and we are optimistic that, you know, after not doing anything, after aurora and gabby giffords and virginia tech, we will get some action this time. >> in 2010, the brady center to prevent gun violence gave president obama a "f" rating. do you think that now is the time for the president to be able to -- to control this issue in a more positive direction, when i talk about control this issue, i mean the sentiment and the emotion that goes in to all americans responding to what we saw in newtown. >> you know, i don't think he has a choice with 80 million american moms coming at him. we have done nothing before and hasn't worked. i think the nra and frankly many congressmen laid out what they see for us in the country where the bad and good guys are armed and duke it out over our kids' heads. we won't al
we are putting a huge amount of pressure on congress, legislators, on the nra. you can go to the website, 1 million moms for gun control.org right now and sign a petition and people are asking for gun control laws that we have crashed the servers many, many times and we are optimistic that, you know, after not doing anything, after aurora and gabby giffords and virginia tech, we will get some action this time. >> in 2010, the brady center to prevent gun violence gave president obama a...
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the nra, a lot of conservatives, in congress, who say that that's not the answer. we need to do a better job of enforcing the laws that are already on the books. president obama certainly making a pretty strong statement in his remarks yesterday and again in hi radio address today. >> switching gears now. a few moments ago we reported hillary clinton faint ad pew days ago. she is home now. expected to be okay. how will her illness affect the timing of the announcement of the next secretary of state? >> reporter: i don't know that it will have an impact on that announcement. what i can tell you, craig, is that just to put night context, secretary of state clinton recently to cancel an overseas trip because she got a stomach bug. because of that bug, according to officials at the state department, she became dehydrated several day ace go and did faint and did suffer a concussion. but she is at home and is resting and she is being monitored by doctors and she is expected to return to work sometime soon. >> nbc's kristen welker from the white house for us on this satur
the nra, a lot of conservatives, in congress, who say that that's not the answer. we need to do a better job of enforcing the laws that are already on the books. president obama certainly making a pretty strong statement in his remarks yesterday and again in hi radio address today. >> switching gears now. a few moments ago we reported hillary clinton faint ad pew days ago. she is home now. expected to be okay. how will her illness affect the timing of the announcement of the next...
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and right now the nra is on its heels defenders of our insanely permissive gun laws in defensive crouch right now and it's the time you want to capitalize on that. it's probably the only time. you don't want to let those forces, any sense of complacency setback and you don't want to let the force that is are standing in the way of progress on this issue give them time to regroup and get them -- bolster their efforts. this is going to exist. it's not easy to get done. >> mika, you look at what happened, how it happened. we talked about this happening in shopping mallses in oregon and movie theaters in colorado, college campuses in virginia. of course finally a first grade class in connecticut. in a state that certainly has tougher gun laws than, say, a lot of other red states. in a community that seems like it should have been so shielded from this and a season that is supposed to be about peace. >> exactly. >> i think it underlined in so many ways why none of us, are none of us are shielded from this kind of violence unless we force our leaders to do something. >> well, and, again, i th
and right now the nra is on its heels defenders of our insanely permissive gun laws in defensive crouch right now and it's the time you want to capitalize on that. it's probably the only time. you don't want to let those forces, any sense of complacency setback and you don't want to let the force that is are standing in the way of progress on this issue give them time to regroup and get them -- bolster their efforts. this is going to exist. it's not easy to get done. >> mika, you look at...
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an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to reach out to all of my friends at the nra. i'll go over and sit down with them and say how can we take the dialogue to a different level? how can we sit down and make sure we're moving and not be afraid that someone is going to attack our freedoms and our rights. >> let me go back to mr. larson. this is a real trouble here because it always goes back to freedom and the fact we love this freedom we feel. adlai stevenson once said freedom in this doesn't is something you can actually feel. it just feels great, the se
an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to...
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they're afraid of the nra. they're afraid of the large lobbyists and that's the same thing as the members of congress. whether they're republican or democrat. you see that, that they cower behind and not get anything done instead of standing up. they're afraid they're going to lose their next election. if we can save a whole bunch of lives, isn't that what we're supposed to be in congress for? it's not -- >> i understand that. >> it's not taking away the right of someone to own a gun. >> you can't be elected to the united states senate from pennsylvania unless you're for gun rights totally, 100%. i know that's true in ohio and michigan, states like that. we have another person here, collin, thank you for joining us. you were at virginia tech, you were a survivor down there and i'm glad you were. here you are. a lot of people in the gun ownership side, the second amendment people, the zealots, say if a bunch of people have guns they could shoot this guy down when he walked in the door. i can imagine what we will
they're afraid of the nra. they're afraid of the large lobbyists and that's the same thing as the members of congress. whether they're republican or democrat. you see that, that they cower behind and not get anything done instead of standing up. they're afraid they're going to lose their next election. if we can save a whole bunch of lives, isn't that what we're supposed to be in congress for? it's not -- >> i understand that. >> it's not taking away the right of someone to own a...
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let's look just briefly on what is on the nra's basic score card agenda. this is how they assess members, oppose closing the so-called terror gap. they oppose closing the gun show loophole. they support an amendment that makes it harder to trace guns specifically used in crimes that would be not law-abiding gun use. they would support amendments to carry guns on amtrak, national parks and bars and what i would call the notorious stand your ground legislation. do you think that agenda, if it has more exposure in this debate, i mean if the president read off those things in the state of the union, do you think that would drive a wedge between the average gun owner and the nra's national agenda? >> it would start a debate. look, it's not the job of reporters to carry one side of an argument. if the nra is making an argument and no one is making one against them, it has a consequence for the debate. what the gun control side has lacked for a long time is a powerful grassroots group that actually has the muscle and the money to force the conversation, to force
let's look just briefly on what is on the nra's basic score card agenda. this is how they assess members, oppose closing the so-called terror gap. they oppose closing the gun show loophole. they support an amendment that makes it harder to trace guns specifically used in crimes that would be not law-abiding gun use. they would support amendments to carry guns on amtrak, national parks and bars and what i would call the notorious stand your ground legislation. do you think that agenda, if it has...
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and the nra makes their first statement following the newtown massacre. tonight republican congressman jack kingston of georgia is here to define his party's message on assault weapons. and congresswoman carolyn mccarthy reacts to the president's statement. >>> social security is officially on the table in fiscal cliff negotiations. david cay johnston tells me if there is any way that makes any sense. >>> and senator bernie sanders on how progressives intend to fight. plus, bob shrum and joan walsh on plan b. >>> and a real scare in syria turns into a real happy ending. tonight we'll tell you how nbc's richard engel escaped from his kidnappers. >> i'm very happy that we're here this morning. >> thanks for watching. it may be a rare moment in gun history, but the nation is focused on gun control following the massacre in connecticut. the national rifle association finally broke its silence on the newtown shooting. a statement released today by the organization said, in part, the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never
and the nra makes their first statement following the newtown massacre. tonight republican congressman jack kingston of georgia is here to define his party's message on assault weapons. and congresswoman carolyn mccarthy reacts to the president's statement. >>> social security is officially on the table in fiscal cliff negotiations. david cay johnston tells me if there is any way that makes any sense. >>> and senator bernie sanders on how progressives intend to fight. plus,...
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but we also need to take a look at what's going on to combat the nra, to push back against the nra. you know, i wrote a piece talking about how mayor bloomberg is doing his part with mayors against illegal guns and also his super pac, independence usa pac, where he's really going out there, pushing back against illegal guns, going up against the nra in only the way mike bloomberg can, one, because he's a billionaire. and being a billionaire gives you the money to go up against the nra, which a lot of people donate ha don't have, but it also gives him that independence to sort of tell the nra to stuff it. so if you have the president out there pushing, you have mayor bloomberg out there pushing, then i think it's incumbent upon all of us to go out there and and give our members of congress the courage they need to tell the nra, this time, we're not listening to you. this time, we're going to do something. >> yeah. john heilemann? >> well, look, i think that that's all true. and you know, you know, the president has the loudest voice here. and he can't -- you know, he's only one voice
but we also need to take a look at what's going on to combat the nra, to push back against the nra. you know, i wrote a piece talking about how mayor bloomberg is doing his part with mayors against illegal guns and also his super pac, independence usa pac, where he's really going out there, pushing back against illegal guns, going up against the nra in only the way mike bloomberg can, one, because he's a billionaire. and being a billionaire gives you the money to go up against the nra, which a...
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the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful. >> also in washington, washington anchor for "bbc world news america" katty kay. >> no pieces, sorry. >> you'll write one next time. thank you. so we've got a lot to get to this morning. >> a lot to talk about today. >> those exceptions, what are you talking about? >> just in the conversation about everything you thought there were two exceptions. >> rick perry, governor of texas, and -- >> is it bob -- >> they said we need to -- we need to arm teachers. >> we have to think about it. >> somebody in the school with a gun. >> guns in school. that's great. you know w
the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful....
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fox news reports that the nra is expected to push back soon. they'll hold a news conference on friday. and republican governors still aren't convinced that guns are the problem. governor jan brewer says quote, i'm not sure additional gun control is something that needs to be addressed. i don't know how we get our arms around it. don't know how to get your arms around it? how about disarming those who shouldn't have weapons? and virginia governor bob mcdonald seems to think there are many solutions to be pursued. but gun control. >> could you imagine ever supporting a ban to limit the sale of assault rifles and clips to private citizens? >> well, i think we ought to look at a number of things -- >> are you hoping? >> i don't think that's the first place you look. because first of all we don't have all the facts. >> we don't have all the facts. but we have the facts that matter. 27 people are dead. and we should do everything we can to prevent it from happening again. joining me now is congresswoman diana degette, democrat from colorado. and form
fox news reports that the nra is expected to push back soon. they'll hold a news conference on friday. and republican governors still aren't convinced that guns are the problem. governor jan brewer says quote, i'm not sure additional gun control is something that needs to be addressed. i don't know how we get our arms around it. don't know how to get your arms around it? how about disarming those who shouldn't have weapons? and virginia governor bob mcdonald seems to think there are many...
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for now we wan >>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to talk about gun violence in school with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hurrah as time tux away for shopping procrastinators. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. and "the hobbit" holds on. very good morning to you, i'm veronica de la cruz. critics are taking aim at its controversial plan to put armed guards in schools. the head of the powerful group is sticking to its guns on the explosive issue. one congress won't be able to do anything about until sometime next month. danielle leigh joins us. >> as the gun debate heats up, we're talking about uncertainty. across the country people are responding. some spending less this holiday season as the fiscal cliff nears, others buying guns as that debate intensifies. fresh off the demand for armed guards in every school, wayne lapierre remained defiant in his one and only interview with david gregory. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and
for now we wan >>> this morning on "first look", the head of the nra fires back at critics explaining why he wants to talk about gun violence in school with more guns. >>> retailers prepare for the last holiday hurrah as time tux away for shopping procrastinators. >>> plus, a u.s. senator arrested on dui charges. the world's most expensive christmas dinner. and "the hobbit" holds on. very good morning to you, i'm veronica de la cruz. critics are...
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through congress. >> right. >> the president doesn't just decide these things. >> there are a lot of nra endorsed members of congress. >> right. democrats and republicans. >> right. >> we'll be back. trivia time. we asked education secretary arne duncan recently suggested he was more likely to take up what profession than becoming secretary of state? the answer was stripping. that is right. stripping. if you have a political trivia question, it won't be better than that one, but e-mail us at daily rundown@msnbc.com and we will be right back. >>> let's bring back our gaggle. okay. we're doing lightning round. david, deal or no deal. we are now 14ish hours away from the cliff. do we get a deal or not? >> put on your parachute. i think we're going over the cliff. they're just too far apart on too many issues and time is running out. maybe in the next few days after that we could see something but i think we're going over tonight. >> you are assuming i don't wear a parachute. >> yes, no, who knows? i think yes but not tonight. i think in the next couple days. >> a deal but not before the dea
through congress. >> right. >> the president doesn't just decide these things. >> there are a lot of nra endorsed members of congress. >> right. democrats and republicans. >> right. >> we'll be back. trivia time. we asked education secretary arne duncan recently suggested he was more likely to take up what profession than becoming secretary of state? the answer was stripping. that is right. stripping. if you have a political trivia question, it won't be...